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    DefaultAngel Pair has spawned!!!

    Hi, I am new to BCAquaria and this is my first post in this forum.

    I have a breeding pair of angel fish, in a 10G breeder tank, and they spawned about 3 days ago. I know the tank is way too small for the breeding pair, but that is all I had as a spare tank. I am hoping to move them into a 20Ga tank soon. The mother is fanning and protecting the eggs and dad is overseeing the eggs as well. I can start to see tails forming and I suspect they will be wigglers soon. The water temperature is 80F, and there is a AQ30 hob filter set to low and with a sponge prefilter on the intake tube. I also have a sponge filter as well. Moreover, I have a large Marina breeder box set up on the back of the 10G tank, with a small 40gph power head pump set to low to move water from the 10G tank into the breeder box. It works very well. I have a sponge in the marina box outflow area to prevent fry from being pushed out of the breeder box and into the 10G tank. Problem is the water temp in the breeder box is only about 76-77F, which is about 3-4F cooler than the 10 tank. I was originally planning to use a turkey baster and suck up the eggs and soon to be wigglers into the breeder box, but I am concerned about the temperature differential. I don't have a small heat to put inside the 0.5Gal marina breeder box. I was hoping by putting the eggs/wigglers inside the breeder box, it would be easier to feed the fry, and less change of the parents eating them. I am also feeding generously pellets to the parents so that they don't get hungry and consider the fry snack.

    If I had the angel pair in a 20G tank, I would have taken the breeding slate with the fertilized eggs out and moved the eggs into the breeder box that would be hanging on the 10G tank and just raise the heat on the 10G tank to 85-86F and account for the temperature differential in the hob breeder box so that the breeder box temp would be 80F, like it is in the 20G breeder tank. But that is not the case now, so I have to make do with what I have now to ensure a successful fry hatch.

    Do you guys/gals think I should chance, moving the eggs/wigglers into the breeder box even though it would be 3-4F cooler?
    Should I just leave the wigglers with the parents. I only have Hikari first bites and I am not sure if the 10G tank is too large for the fry that they would have a hard time finding food. I suspect it would be a lot easier with feeding for the fry and for myself doing it in the breeder box.

    What do you think of my approach, and do you have any suggestions that I may try to ensure a success in breeding the angels.

    Thanks and all the best

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    Oh, I also forgot to mention that the tank is bare bottom, with a few pieces of hornwort plants floating about.
    Thanks.

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    Are you able to put the parents in the 20 gallon tank?I would leave the babies in the 10 gallon and put sponge over your intake.
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    Thanks for your post Jousters,

    I don't have the 20G yet, that is the problem. I already have sponges over the intake, but the problem is that the angel pairs are big poopers. I have to use a siphon to get rid of the poop at the bottom of the tank, but every time, I stick the siphon in the tank, it freaks and stresses the angel pair. They may end up eating the eggs or wigglers. I usually do 10-25 percent weekly water changes, so I have using the 10G as a sump for the breeder box, makes it a lot easier for me to do maintain and clean the water and not risk having the parents eat the wigglers/fry.

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    Just an update. So I got a 20G during the long weekend, and go it setup. I drained about 5 gal from 3 established tank while doing my weekly water change and put the water in the new 20G tank, and used dechlorinated water for the balance. Transferred the parent angels into the 20G tank because I noticed the mother eating the free swimmers. I pulled the HOB filter off the 10G and put it on the new 20G tank.

    So I have about 150-200 +- free swimmers in the 10G tank. I am using two sponge filters and leave the led lights on most of the day. A lot of green algae has grown in the 10G tank. Water is greenish. Is that good? I have been using Hikari first bites and so far no dead fry. I use a turkey baster and mix the Hikari with some aquarium water and squirt the first bites towards the fry clusters. I am not sure if the fry are eating the Hikari or if there are infusoria growing in the tank and they are eating that. I used the turkey baster and squirted into the tank and a lot of tiny miniscule things floating in the water. Perhaps the angel fries are eating them? Whatever it is, the fry have gotten a bit larger and are faster swimmers.

    I did a 15% water change today. How, often should I do partial water changes in the fry tank? Daily, every 2 days, .... ?

    Is it ok to have the algae growing in the fry tank. I have read online that it is good to have green water for baby fish fry. Would that be the case?

    Thanks for any advice.

    all the best
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    Oh one other thing I forgot to mention. I notice a white cloudy webbish cluster forming on top of the areas where the First Bites have fallen onto the bottom of the tank. I read that that whitish cloudy mass might be bacteria bloom, but infusoria feed off the bacteria bloom. What are your thoughts. I figured if that is the case, let it happen, and let more infusoria grow, so that the angel fry can eat the infusoria.

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    the white webbish cluster may be a fungus, or mold, it really sounds like you are over feeding the fry here, especially with the green water. you might consider cutting the light back, 12 hours a day is lots. you can observe the fry bellies to see if they are eating, fat bellies equals eating, greyish belly means mostly eating infusoria. pink bellies for baby brine shrimp. I would get on the bottom siphoning, I would do 25% a day. temperature is pretty important to keep constant, but not really vital, as long as it is close, a few degrees change when doing the water change is ok I have found. Green water/algae is not really a problem, I actually like it as I don't have to feed the fry nearly as much.
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    Thanks for your post mollyb.

    It is more of a transparent/translucent white cloudy webbish cluster along the bottom of the tank. It is not an opaque white mass growth.
    The fries have grown to about 3mm length body, not including the tails. The tails about 3mm length as well. They must be eating something, as there are no dead fry on the bottom of the bare bottom tank. Their bellies seem full as they are about grey/black in color.

    I will do a daily 10-25% partial water change and focus on the siphoning the bottom webbish growth.

    I suspected I was overfeeding. I will feed less. I am currently feeding 5 times per day. Is that ok?
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    thanks and all the best

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    Oh, I forgot to mention, the temperature is pretty constant at 80F.
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    I was referring to the temperature of the new water change water, the white stuff is likely fungus, 5 x a day is way too much. I usually get by with 2 x. also, feed less each time, I scatter the food on the surface, it sinks at different rates, so it elongates the available feeding time (time in water column) for the fry.

 

 
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