Bristlenose Pleco Crossbreeding

[gimlid]

Hi Pleco Fans
I was talking with Ibenu the other night about cross breeding BN plecos. does anyone know what types can crossbreed with others?
We were talking about a 144 crossing with and Albino BN. I was curious which eye colour would be more recessive.
It really got me thinking though.
Love to hear any member feedback on this.

[ibenu]

Calico LF and L144.. If its possible and could be done in a few generations, could you imagine a blue eyed LF calico? the red with the blue would look stunning!!

I forgot to show you my smoky longfin albino downstairs.. Wish I new more about line breeding to figure out how to secure that!!! Watching this thread with interest!

Lisa

[Adz1]

yes almost all bristle nose will cross.
though you don't get a new color just a few each of types crossed.
i used to get L-144 and silver tips from a pair of silver tips i had in the past.

[2wheelsx2]

The Albinos, "L144", and common BNP's are likely all from the same stock originally, with maybe a few wilds mixed in from time to time. Nobody really has any true type L144. There was a huge long discussion about this on planetcatfish. The ones that are commonly sold as L144's now are much more attractively than the original that was logged as L144.

To answer the originally question though, I suspect all Ancistrus species can interbreed, although I haven't heard of anyone trying with the L183 with the commons, etc.

[Smiladon]

If you cross breed albino with anything else, you can expect half of them to be most likely a regular BNP.

Albino just means that they lack the genes for the color while L144's original color is the pale yellow that we see.

calico + L144 would be interesting though

[Mferko]

the gene for albinism is recessive, if you cross an albino with anything else none of the f1 generation will be albinos at all (unless it had the recessive albino gene, in which case half of the offspring would be albinos). however if you then breed those f1's with each other you can expect 1/4 of them to be albinos, breed 2 of those albinos together and you are guaranteed all their offspring are albinos.
hope that helps.

as for which are capable of crossbreeding i have no idea im a pleco noob, but i know my genetics

[ibenu]

albino/albino+albino/albino= albino You can breed Albinos and get all albinos. The long fin gene has been hardy to breed true from what I have read. But the albino pleco gene has been secured across so many lines it's rare to beed two albino plecos and get and browns when you get stock from wholesalers. (as they dont have the time nor desire to be breeding albinos that do not breed true) But If you bough albinos from other forum members that were from mixed lineage (smiladon you referring to that?) I can see where you would get mixed/disappointing results.

[Mferko]

albino/albino+albino/albino= albino You can breed Albinos and get all albinos.

thats what i said :P

[Smiladon]

albino/albino+albino/albino= albino You can breed Albinos and get all albinos. The long fin gene has been hardy to breed true from what I have read. But the albino pleco gene has been secured across so many lines it's rare to beed two albino plecos and get and browns when you get stock from wholesalers. (as they dont have the time nor desire to be breeding albinos that do not breed true) But If you bough albinos from other forum members that were from mixed lineage (smiladon you referring to that?) I can see where you would get mixed/disappointing results.

I wasn't referring to that at all, instead I was stating what Mferko said: "if you cross an albino with anything else none of the f1 generation will be albinos at all "

I agree if it is albino/albino + albino/albino = albino/albino

what I was stating was
albino/albino + calico/calico [or any other type] != albino
because the offspring will be albino/calico and albinism is a recessive gene, so the babies will look like calicos.
Take two of those calicos and breed them and you can get some albinos etc (Mferko explained it better ... sorry if I am confusing you )

my point is that if someone is looking into cross-breeding, then leave albinos out of the list as it wont help.

[gimlid]

My thought is that the blue eyed gene from an L144 would likely be recessive the way it is in mammals.
My guess then is that the L144/L144 + albino/albino would give a light coloured fish ,perhaps even calico, with regular black eyes.
Maybe we can find out soon.
I found a seller with a large number of 144 for sale and a "generous" donor gave me about 20+ baby BN and calico BN and I think some albino too.