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    new to raising it from such a small size but we do own discuses so we're not new to their raising/eating/cleanliness habits.

    for this litter
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    This is the setup when I STARTED. final setup at end of this post.

    [Tank]: 55G Fluval Tank
    [2x heaters]: Fluval M Submersible Heater and 150W aqueon heater

    [Air Setup]:Fluval 0.2 Air pump diverted to two sponge filter and an air stone disc
    2x sponge filter - one sponge filter carrying fluval C C-nodes
    air hose splitter/checkvalve

    [water change]: Python water changer (assume everyone has these by now) and to supplement for faster water removal: MaxiJet 1200 marineland pump
    [temperature]: 86
    [Food]:freeze dried california Blackworms

    [current fishes only]:4x spotted Cory (all passed away. forgot prime after water change)

    [decor]: a single fake plant. bare bottom is the plan
    unsure at the bottom if I will introduce live plant setup. still thinking about it

    current concerns: 55 gallon feels large for the amount of discus and size - concerned on the gravity weight for new fry [update: so far no issue with the Fry, adjusted within the day and no sideways floaters]
    Also we house a lot of tanks and fishes in our house thus sharing of materials between tanks and have to always be weary of having all our materials cleaned properly between uses.
    Also I do want to add an additional community fishes to this tank when they get a bit bigger.

    plan and setup:
    1. cycle tank. planning to cycle from scratch without having to use media from the 125 gallon discus tank. Added spotted Cory to help increase this and have them as community fishes. Plan to potentially add tetras as additional school community fishes but not sure if i was to risk introducing diseases. Usually takes 6-8 weeks to get water conditions optimal and to have proper water test results.
    Since it has only been 2.5 weeks, hoping that the size of the tank plus the amount of water change will correct this issue until the bacterial are settled in.
    Products for cycle tank: fluval biological enhancer and fluval water conditioner. Will switch to Prime once those run out. (for comparison - on our 125g, we used seachem stability and Prime.)

    2. acclimate new fishes. all lights off for 4 hours. 50% Water change day prior
    a. closed float
    b. add 1/2cup existing water to shipping water every couple minutes
    c. dump half out
    d. repeat steps two
    e. net fishes out gently

    3. feeding (since i'm out due to work 12 hours daily would have to have an automatic feeder setup)
    a. 4 times daily
    b. automatic feeder of freeze dried discus food. still testing to see how well this would work - so far it looks to do what i would need but thinking of having two automatic feeder set at different time that would just drop whole pieces of freeze dried worms. (basically not using the feeder housing itself but placing the food on top and the turning of the feeder will just drop the solid piece of worms into the tank.)
    c. there might be times in a couple month i'll be away for a couple days - this will test how long i can be away from them and affect their growth in the long run

    #tank
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    #water change made easy. always measure temperature
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    [more pics to come]

    Day 1
    January 11th - Received Discus fish from air cargo.
    #discus Fry Acclimation
    https://youtu.be/OjF5R0bs_9g

    After 4 hours of darkness. Once the lights came on they started roaming. Put a little food in and they started exploring a lot more.
    #discus Fry Moving
    https://youtu.be/nfPndXo3aAU

    01/16 posting
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    https://youtu.be/tmcOxgyUWSg

    https://youtu.be/OQYJdQ5M57o

    01/21 posting
    video of discus Fry Eating
    https://youtu.be/ZrOtftpwgFo


    Also - The future Tank they'll be in once they've grown,
    125 Gallon tank
    https://youtu.be/-RD16lJhifE

    early 02
    home diy sump setup
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    diy feeding rings
    #ring around overflow
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    #ring under feeder
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    #when i added an oriental sword
    Attachment 167746

    https://youtu.be/8diAvJhQicc

    mid 02 february posting:
    vid of setup and sump and new fishes.
    https://youtu.be/kDi1gy1w95E

    #baby fry picture taken this morning 03/02
    Attachment 169561
    #baby fry picture taken this morning 03/02
    Attachment 169569

    #cant really tell from pictures, but the discus are starting to color on the fins and edges, a blue tint. not sure why pictures go sideways when uploaded
    Attachment 169585

    #end of February change: final tank setup for the moment. took out the sword. took out one of the air sponge filters. Sump tank system is completed (final change to add a check valve worked on the return, but it reduced the power but there's still a lot of cycling so i'm not concerned. Made the return pump a direct water line into the tank to a waterfall attachment)
    Attachment 169593

    #sideway pic for some reason, but this is the 'waterfall' outlet. it really helps to push the surface food down to the ground.
    Attachment 169577


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    CURRENT MOST UPDATED TANK SETUP:

    Update:
    [Tank]: 55G Fluval Tank
    [DIY Sump Tank]: 2x 10G Tank bridged. typical Sock, bath sponge, black Sponge, plastic mechanical filter balls, Bio Balls. 660 GPM return pump. Auto Off Level Switch for the return pump.

    [2x heaters]: Fluval M Submersible Heater and 50W Hydor heater in Sump tank

    [Air Setup]:Fluval 0.2 Air pump diverted to a large sponge filter and an air stone disc
    air hose splitter/checkvalve

    [water change]: Python water changer (assume everyone has these by now) and to supplement for faster water removal: MaxiJet 1200 marineland pump
    [temperature]: 86
    [Food]:freeze dried california Blackworms - ASSORTED, mixes includes beefheart, tetra colors bits, PE mysis, plankton, spinach

    [current fishes only]:4x spotted Cory Julii. 9x Red Phantom Tetras.
    [Lighting]: 24 hours

    [Feeding]: 6 times daily. Automatically feeder during nights and afternoon.

    [Water Change]: 1x daily. 50%. 90% once a week. Glass cleaned/scrub daily
    Water change direct from kitchen tap - 2.5 caps of Prime
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    Thanks for the detailed post. The fry came out of a 90 gallon so no problem there with the tank depth. Sometimes a small group of fry in a big tank will feel lost but they are looking pretty confident in the video you posted especially after having travelled all day. I look forward to following your progress. Good luck!
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    Day 5 update:
    1. the discus fry don’t travel to the top as much with the lights on (8k) and i have been leaving the room light on instead of the tank lights. will see in the upcoming week if that changes as i try the tank light on and off.
    2. discus fry tends to eat better from bottom/mid level foods. i used a custom feeding cone essential to house the floating freeze dried food near the bottom. during day using automatic feeder twice for top floating food. they occassional do rise to surface to eat. potentially a 55 gallon might be too tall for them at the moment with the amount of fishes being only 6 at that size
    3. water test daily shows around .25 for ammonia levels, daily water changes will be required if i’m floating food at the top for feeding
    4. day 3/4 they were more brave to travel even with water changing hoses are running for intake/return. They’re pretty fearless now compared to day 1

    running nest cam on the tank so i’m able to see their eating habits when i’m not around. also the lights are on wemo switches and i can control on off timers and also turn it off remotely from work offices

    (pics to come)

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    Discus are doing really well.. they are feeding off the top of the water and completely cleaned it up. no more murky water. had to do a 90% water change yesterday and a scrub down of the tank flooring. Today super clean and easier water change.
    During morning and night I feed them through a feeding tube i stuck pieces of fish equipment parts together
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    Eheim automatic feeder with broken up freeze dried worms works really well.
    Also the lighting is not an issue anymore, today didn’t have a chance to monitor them and they’ve completely cleaned the food from the top and seems to be moving a lot from what the camera showed through the day.

    https://youtu.be/tmcOxgyUWSg

    https://youtu.be/OQYJdQ5M57o
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    update for day 8. a week after
    so big mistake on my part last night for a non fully cycled tank (still 3 weeks in) - did a 50% water change and forgot to add water conditioner (prime)
    next morning all my corys are gone. discuses are still alive and i double dose prime. ammonia levels are zero and nitrate is zero - nitrite was at .5
    did a 25% water change. monitoring them for the next couple hours - they seem a bit more stressed at the moment.
    crossing fingers to hope they make it

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    after 6-7 hours they are back to their usual carefree swimming, i turned off the led to make it easier on them. was very heart breaking to watch them stressed like that. due to missing prime, likely my bacterial buildup from the past 3.5 weeks might have to be redone and assume i’m cycling tank from day 0 again. The corys will be missed - the discus did swim well and chased them often. I might look into tetra to make it easier to detect water quality quicker, the corys are too erratic.

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    video of discus Fry Eating
    https://youtu.be/ZrOtftpwgFo


    Also - The future Tank they'll be in once they've grown,
    125 Gallon tank
    https://youtu.be/-RD16lJhifE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai.Le View Post
    video of discus Fry Eating



    Also - The future Tank they'll be in once they've grown,
    125 Gallon tank
    https://youtu.be/-RD16lJhifE
    That was a close call! I'm glad to see that the fry have bounced back.
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    spent the week building a diy sump.. since the stand couldnt fit a 20 gallon under it, i bridge two 10 gallon tanks. essential i now have a 75 gallon tank with water cycling 3-4 times per hour through the sump. heater and filtration will be housed in the sump when it is cycled..
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    will probably run it for about a month before i remove all the tank filter and heaters from above..
    will be putting in a auto off water level switch soon to turn the return pump off if the water level gets too low..

    also, its my first time building it so it took a lot of careful planning and trial and errors to get it right.. for me it was better to overestimate everything because it is easier to split/divert any parts that i over achieved on (too powerful a return so i just added a T to pump parts of the water back in thr same tank its pulling out water)

    for cost - it probably wouldve just cost 120 or so to build (brand new parts). i spent just as much on the filter media but if people was frugal and get used items.. building the sump should be doable with 100-120 including all parts/media and feels so much better then the canister filter since all parts are replaceable and easily within reach, all filters are easy to reach and clean.
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    update: since there was a lot of water movement on the surface and having the overflow sucking all the floating food into the sump, decided to add a feeding ring around the overflow and under where the automatic feeder drops the food.

    diy : airline hose looped round and connected by airline regulator. second airline loop is connected to a T airline splitter and it is looped it through a suction tab and have an airline at the top of the T to tie it to the top of the tank.

    #ring around overflow
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    #ring under feeder
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