beneficial or a waste of filter
Follow us on...
Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook
Register

Results 1 to 8 of 8

beneficial or a waste of filter

This is a discussion on beneficial or a waste of filter within the Equipment Talk Section forums, part of the Aquarium Related Chat category; ive got a 90g full of polypterus (4x2 footpring) and ive got a 25 gallon sump with a 1000gph return ...

  1. #1
    Mr Know It all spit.fire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Abbotsford
    Posts
    2,749

    Default beneficial or a waste of filter

    ive got a 90g full of polypterus (4x2 footpring) and ive got a 25 gallon sump with a 1000gph return pump with a 404 and a 304 pulling out of the sump, the sump isnt really a "sump" yet, its just a plain ol tank but i will be putting all the glass separators in it soon or possibly going plexiglass for it.


    will post pics tomorrow

    my question is: running filters off of a filters, is it beneficial or am i just wasting the filters, they pull out of the sump and dump back into it

    i have my 55 discus tank running on a similar setup (difference is 20 gallon sump with xp3 and 105 running off sump and a 500gph return pump)
    Having a saltwater tank without corals is like a flower garden with just sticks

  2. Remove Advertisements
    BCAquaria.com
    Advertisements
     

  3. #2
    Mr Know It all
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Coquitlam
    Posts
    4,209

    Default

    Be carful with plexi in a glass tank. Plexi expands much more than glass. I made a sump with plexi divider before. Figured the plexi cracked the glass.

    With the sump, at least you don't have to replenish the water as often. Never too much filtration. I have a sump and and Eheim running on my 75g discus. On my 150g planted discus with a 100g sump with 15 gallons of bio-balls. I am planning to put a big Eheim on as well. Not using any of the filter for return though - don't see any problem with that either.

  4. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Nanaimo
    Posts
    219

    Default

    to answer your question simply, with no media in your sump, your simply just using extra electricity to do the same job that the canisters would do on the tank itself

  5. Remove Advertisements
    BCAquaria.com
    Advertisements
     

  6. #4
    Mr Know It all
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Coquitlam
    Posts
    4,209

    Default

    Mmmm. But he is not running a return pump.

    Another benefit of a sump is simply adding more water volume. A 90g tank plus a 50% full 25g sump give you 102g total.

    In my 150g discus tank I added 50g water at the sump.
    In my 180g SW system, I have a 25g rock only, a 33g algae tank, and a 25g sump. Adding another 70g water to the system.

    This allow me to up the density a bit in the display tank. For the SW system, it may be more energy efficient as I can use two return pumps to drive four tanks, skimmer, UV sterilizer, calc reactor and sulphur chamber.

  7. #5
    Mr Know It all spit.fire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Abbotsford
    Posts
    2,749

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gklaw View Post
    Mmmm. But he is not running a return pump.

    Another benefit of a sump is simply adding more water volume. A 90g tank plus a 50% full 25g sump give you 102g total.

    In my 150g discus tank I added 50g water at the sump.
    In my 180g SW system, I have a 25g rock only, a 33g algae tank, and a 25g sump. Adding another 70g water to the system.

    This allow me to up the density a bit in the display tank. For the SW system, it may be more energy efficient as I can use two return pumps to drive four tanks, skimmer, UV sterilizer, calc reactor and sulphur chamber.
    im running the return pump right now, otherwise the filtered water wouldnt be able to make it back to the tank.
    Having a saltwater tank without corals is like a flower garden with just sticks

  8. #6
    Mr Know It all 2wheelsx2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Burnaby
    Posts
    8,717

    Default

    Waste of filter.

    As for the extra volume thing, it makes sense in theory, but in practical terms, I've been finding that it's cheaper to just buy a bigger tank. Say you're running a 180 with a 30 gallon sump, just buy a 210 or 240, etc. Or do the harder method, which is to stock at lower levels. I think the added the complexity of a sump is not worth the gains just for that.

    For me there are 2 main benefits to a sump:
    1. Gets everything out of the tank except powerheads, and you may be able to do everything if you had a big enough pump and split the outlets to direct the flows.
    2. Keeps water level constant and allows you to do water changes, dosing, cleaning of the media, without disturbing the tank.

    The other benefits are relatively minor and there are other methods to achieve easily, again, IMO.
    My 100 gallon square tank
    My pleco picture thread
    46 Gallon Bowfront
    ADA Cube Garden
    Saving the world from being plecoless, one at a time....
    No more sig pics

  9. #7
    Mr Know It all spit.fire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Abbotsford
    Posts
    2,749

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelsx2 View Post
    Waste of filter.

    As for the extra volume thing, it makes sense in theory, but in practical terms, I've been finding that it's cheaper to just buy a bigger tank. Say you're running a 180 with a 30 gallon sump, just buy a 210 or 240, etc. Or do the harder method, which is to stock at lower levels. I think the added the complexity of a sump is not worth the gains just for that.

    For me there are 2 main benefits to a sump:
    1. Gets everything out of the tank except powerheads, and you may be able to do everything if you had a big enough pump and split the outlets to direct the flows.
    2. Keeps water level constant and allows you to do water changes, dosing, cleaning of the media, without disturbing the tank.

    The other benefits are relatively minor and there are other methods to achieve easily, again, IMO.
    i really like not having anything in the main tank, i dont have powerheads because well, bichirs dont need alot of movement and how i drilled the tubes i get quite a bit of flow in every direction out of the sump.

    at the moment im using the lower tank for a growout tank for my snakeheads and my senegals seem to like going down the waterslide to the sump so they're in there for now as well (they're only 4" long)

    once i have the time i plan on setting up a 125 gallon tank but first i need to reseal it, build a stand and drill the tank so it could be some time before any of that happens

    i also have to finish my stand for my 90 gallon and finish the sump
    Having a saltwater tank without corals is like a flower garden with just sticks

  10. #8
    Super Moderator The Guy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Kelowna BC
    Posts
    4,020

    Default

    Hey Tyler:
    Just thought I would let you know I did end up using the 2213 I got from you to run my sterilizer in 46 Gallon tank, it's very quiet when running. Thanks Laurie
    Back in the hobby, 1- 20 gallon shrimp tank and a 42 gallon community corner tank

 

 


Similar Threads

  1. do plants take in waste?
    By paul_28 in forum Freshwater Chat
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-29-2011, 06:39 AM
  2. people that purposely waste...
    By roadrunner in forum Aqua Lounge
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03-28-2011, 02:18 PM
  3. White waste.
    By Adz1 in forum Freshwater Chat
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-12-2010, 12:32 PM
  4. fluval g3/g6 filters, good or just a fancy waste of money?
    By Mferko in forum Equipment Talk Section
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 09-23-2010, 08:28 PM
  5. How Much Time Do you Waste?
    By Nicklfire in forum BC Aquaria Announcements/News
    Replies: 63
    Last Post: 09-22-2010, 08:44 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Vancouver Website Hosting Chilliwack Website Design