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New Mbuna Tank Advice

This is a discussion on New Mbuna Tank Advice within the Old World Cichlids forums, part of the Freshwater Species category; I am setting up two new Mbuna tanks and was looking for advice on stocking. Tank size is not yet ...

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    I am setting up two new Mbuna tanks and was looking for advice on stocking. Tank size is not yet determined as I am going to add them two my new built-in books shelves. probably 55g tanks. Each tank will have 3 different species/variety and 1 male and 4 females of those species/varieties.

    Tank 1 will have P. saulosi because I already have these fish.

    Tank 2 will have Msobo Deep Maguna or Melanochromis johanni "GOME" (I like the different coloured females)

    So what I would like advice on is what are 2 more species that I could add to each tank? Or maybe it is easier to ask what not to put together? Here is the list of fish I can get and like:

    Nkhomo Lime
    Chewere
    Rusty
    Afra Nkhata Bay
    Afra Cobue
    Lab. Chisumulae
    Metriaclima callonios cobalt or OB
    Metriaclima estherae Cherry red or OB

    Thanks

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    Good luck with your plans. I just stick to the less aggressive fish so I'm not the best help for that, but I found it's been tough to make a plan and then actually find the fish I wanted. I have mixed Hap, peacock, and mbuna.

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    Honestly you can mix but I’d stick your plan on keep Mbuna only. But you can keep any of them you want
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    Most of my African communities are in 55 - 60 G tanks. I like the sexually dimorphic species so it's easy to pick males from females ... makes it a whole lot easier. Also choosing a ratio of 1 male / 4 or 5 females is a good plan. Usually I keep 2 Mbuna groups with a Hap or Peacock group and that works well. I have found 15 - 20 Africans in a 55 - 60 G tank works well with a 10 X per water filtration rate. I also think keeping a dark species with a light species works well. So given your starting selection I would suggest.

    Tank #1 - P. saulosi

    • Chewere
    • Afra Nkhata Bay
    • Afra Cobue

    Tank #2 Melanochromis johanni"GOME"

    • Rusty
    Metriaclima estherae Cherry red

    Some the species you are looking for are not readily available locally so I am assuming you are importing? I have a nice strain of Metriaclima estherae if you are interested in young juveniles - they'll be sellable in about 6 weeks.
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    I keep most of my breeding groups in biotope tanks. I move pairs or breeding groups to special tanks to spawn and raise fry. I also take full advantage of Ziss & Marina water circulating breeder boxes. African Cichlids are what I breed mostly but have gotten more interested in catfish - corys & BN plecos in the past 12 months.

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    Thanks for the advice VElderton. I am wondering about hybrids if I put the two Afra together. Might they not cross breed? Also, I have recently read that johanni are on the high end of aggression. Would you agree?

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    Good questions

    1. Interbreeding: Within closely related species of Africans, i.e. Afra genus hybridizing is always possible. Some of these closely related genus/species are only separate because they occupy little unique areas in the lake and have not interacted with each other for a very long time. One scenario is that some time in the past they were one species when lake levels were lower and they completely inter-mixed but now that lake levels are higher, deep water separates them and they don't mix anymore. For these types of closely related genus/species the hobbyist that wants to stay true to the species keeping these fish in different tanks makes the most sense. Another approach is choosing close genus/species that live together in the wild and don't interbreed. A good example from Lk. Tanganyika would be T. duboisi & any of the T. moorii sub-species. T. duboisi are from the north of the lake and T. moorii are from the south, in the wild they co-exist without interbreeding and the same is true in the home aquarium. I keep I]T. duboisi[/I] and T. moorii "Bemba" coloines together without a problem. However putting any of the T. moorii together and the likelihood of cross-breeding is always possible - T. moorii "Bemba" and T. moorii "Chilenga" for example.
    2. Aggression: Africans are feisty, no question. They are use to be being in pretty tight groups and protecting their territory. I have found the solution to this is keeping them in a tank that reduces general stress by:

      • having relatively high densities of fish ... like I posted before 20 - 30 fish, in a 50 G tank works and is dynamic
      • provide lots of rocks to hide in that's their native habitat - mbuna means "rockfish" in the language of the Tonga people of Malawi
      • use a substrate like Caribsea cichlid sand with plenty of crushed coral to moderate the acidity which is natural in our water
      • cichlid salt to help with water hardness - I replenish with SeaChem cichlid salt with every water change
      • plenty of flow and filtration to deal with bio-waste in high density tanks - I use the 10 x hour rule on water filtration, knowing that my filters will never be 100% all the time
      • lots of surface agitation to provide great aeration - I combine sponge filters with canister or HOB filters to do this
      • weekly water changes

      With less overall stress I keep ratios of 1 male / 4 -5 females. In these scenarios females are always in the majority so finding females that are colourful is a often goal. My guess is Johanni are no more agressive than Melanochromis auratus that I keep and breed and found to be among the most aggressive. The males are black & cream/yellow - females are black/silver/yellow striped, as long I stick to the 1 male / 4 -5 female rule things work out fine.

    Hope this helps ...
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    Small fish room, 24 tanks - various sizes. Inside the house (1) 40 - Breeder + 2 show tank 1 Fluval Venezia 190 L & Fluval Venezia 350 L

    Fish Room Album

    I keep most of my breeding groups in biotope tanks. I move pairs or breeding groups to special tanks to spawn and raise fry. I also take full advantage of Ziss & Marina water circulating breeder boxes. African Cichlids are what I breed mostly but have gotten more interested in catfish - corys & BN plecos in the past 12 months.

 

 


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